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  What is Armageddon For?

  by Perry in

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  armageddon is a military exercise where the nations will be judged in the "valley of decision" for how they treated israel in regard to dividing that land.

  it is not to destroy the wicked as the wt teaches.

  the wicked are destroyed from the effects of adam in that all die.. i will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

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  These prophets were talking about their own day, their own time. They were intent on achieving change within their own community.

  When the expectations of the first and second century Christians failed and they were being taunted by the Jews, the Christian writers distorted the immediate meaning of Hebrew (OT) Scriptures to make them appear as if they were intended to apply to their murdered leader, Yeshua.

  Learn the lesson taught by history: throughout the centuries, people have continually applied such statements to their own times, and they have a score of a big fat zero. Paul thought it was imminent ("we who are still alive", was talking to people about their time). In time to come, you too will wake up.

  In answer to your question: Armagedon (Mount of Assembly) is the name of a place (you will know of its importance to Josiah). Armagedon is not the name of any battle. Since there is no such Mount, the person who wrote these words had a symbolism in mind that drew on his Hebrew/Jewish background.

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  Looking for page 60 of "Belshazzar and Nabonidus"

  by Doug Mason in

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  having read page 61 of "nabonidus and belshazzar" by raymond philip dougherty, i would now like to see page 60. i hope someone is able to help me.. thanks,.

  dooug.

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  Doug Mason

  Having read page 61 of "Nabonidus and Belshazzar" by Raymond Philip Dougherty, I would now like to see page 60. I hope someone is able to help me.

  Thanks,

  Dooug
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  VAT 4956/LBAT 1420 question

  by outsmartthesystem in

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  i posted this as comment number one million in the nov 1 wt thread...but i'll post here too:.

  i don't know if this has been discussed yet....but if it is agreed that vat 4956 is from the 37th year of nebuchadnezzar (the argument being was year 37 in 568 or 588bc), and there is no argument that bm 38462 (lbat 1420) shows 2 eclipse records for year 17.....then what is the jw response to the details of those eclipses?

  bm 38462 (lbat 1420) describes in great detail an eclipse that happened on tebetu 13 of the 17th year of nebuchadnezzar.

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  Hi outsmart,

  At the moment, I can only suggest that the dates by Oppolzer and from NASA are not in agreement. I assume you have downloaded their Catalog:

  http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

  where the Introduction provides a narrative on the development of the Canon from Oppolzer's time

  When you go to http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEcat5/LE-0599--0500.html scroll down and select for example, 03460. That then shows the path of the eclipse for -567 July 04 (that is 568 BCE of course), and explains the reason it was predicted but not seen.

  Did you have a go at the Javascript tool at:

  http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/JLEX/JLEX-AS.html

  If so, tell me what your input criteria were (select Baghdad for simplicity sake) and tell me the results you got for say 568 BCE (-567). How do these compare with Oppolzer?

  I shall make enquiries. Maybe others can provide some illumination on this?

  Always remember that the issue of the dates is only a concern for the WTS. The responsibility for verifying dates is their problem, but every time they remove faith in the accuracy of a secular record, they remove a plank from their foundation.

  Doug
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  VAT 4956/LBAT 1420 question

  by outsmartthesystem in

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  i posted this as comment number one million in the nov 1 wt thread...but i'll post here too:.

  i don't know if this has been discussed yet....but if it is agreed that vat 4956 is from the 37th year of nebuchadnezzar (the argument being was year 37 in 568 or 588bc), and there is no argument that bm 38462 (lbat 1420) shows 2 eclipse records for year 17.....then what is the jw response to the details of those eclipses?

  bm 38462 (lbat 1420) describes in great detail an eclipse that happened on tebetu 13 of the 17th year of nebuchadnezzar.

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  VM44,

  I suggest that you will get more precise information when you Google for the geographic co-ordinates (and in terms of minutes and seconds), the elevation above sea level, and the time zone.

  Doug
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  VAT 4956 Astronomical Observations

  by VM44 in

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  starting a new thread to discuss the astronomical observations recorded in vat 4956..

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  Doug Mason

  VM44,

  you have a pm.

  Doug
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  Watchtower admits the KISS method works - Nov 1, 2011 WT, p. 24

  by Alleymom in

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  the following posts and graphics refer to the k.i.s.s.

  (keep it simple, sweetie) approach to 587/586 bce,.

  which i introduced on july 12, 2003.. here is a link to the original thread:.

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  I know my approach is a tad complex, but I use WTS sources to form the accepted neo-Babylonian chronology at:

  http://www.jwstudies.com/WTS_support_for_the_Babylonian_king-list.pdf

  Doug
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  Looking for transcript of the "Miracle Wheat" trial

  by Doug Mason in

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  as the title of this thread says, i am looking for the transcript of the "miracle wheat" trial.. any clues?.

  thanks,.

  doug.

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  Doug Mason

  I am asking on behalf of a friend who specialises in researching the early 20th century history of the WTS. I intend forwarding your comments in due course.

  I found what appear to be newspaper articles at http://www.archive.org, by searching for "miracle wheat" (Make certain you include those quotation marks, otherwise you get all sorts of things with "miracle" in the title.)

  Doug
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  VAT 4956/LBAT 1420 question

  by outsmartthesystem in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i posted this as comment number one million in the nov 1 wt thread...but i'll post here too:.

  i don't know if this has been discussed yet....but if it is agreed that vat 4956 is from the 37th year of nebuchadnezzar (the argument being was year 37 in 568 or 588bc), and there is no argument that bm 38462 (lbat 1420) shows 2 eclipse records for year 17.....then what is the jw response to the details of those eclipses?

  bm 38462 (lbat 1420) describes in great detail an eclipse that happened on tebetu 13 of the 17th year of nebuchadnezzar.

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  According to Stephenson ("Historical Eclipses and Earth's Rotation", page 97):

  "The geograhic co-ordinates of Babylon are: lat. = +32.55 deg, long. = -44.42 deg. Since the plain in which the site of the city is located is so flat, there is no need to make any allowance for horizon profile in deducing the time of sunrise or sunset, etc."

  Doug
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  VAT 4956/LBAT 1420 question

  by outsmartthesystem in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i posted this as comment number one million in the nov 1 wt thread...but i'll post here too:.

  i don't know if this has been discussed yet....but if it is agreed that vat 4956 is from the 37th year of nebuchadnezzar (the argument being was year 37 in 568 or 588bc), and there is no argument that bm 38462 (lbat 1420) shows 2 eclipse records for year 17.....then what is the jw response to the details of those eclipses?

  bm 38462 (lbat 1420) describes in great detail an eclipse that happened on tebetu 13 of the 17th year of nebuchadnezzar.

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  Doug Mason

  I have no idea if this will be of any help: "Five Millennium Canon of Lunar Eclipses -1999 to +3000 (2000 BCE to 3000 CE)", Espenak and Meeus, NASA. Available for download at:

  http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

  The main page at NASA is:

  http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse.html

  They also have a search engine for SOLAR eclipses at

  http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/SEsearch.php

  On the page http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/JLEX/JLEX-index.html it says:

  "The Javascript Lunar Eclipse Explorer can compute the local circumstances for every lunar eclipse visible from a city for any century from -1999 to 3000 (2000 BCE to 3000 CE). When was the last total lunar eclipse visible from London? When is the next partial lunar eclipse visible from New York? These questions and many others can be answered easily using this web tool. Pick a geographic location and search for all eclipses visible from that spot over several thousand years."

  I hope that's a bit of a help and is relevant to your needs.

  Doug
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  Looking for transcript of the "Miracle Wheat" trial

  by Doug Mason in

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  as the title of this thread says, i am looking for the transcript of the "miracle wheat" trial.. any clues?.

  thanks,.

  doug.

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  Doug Mason

  As the title of this thread says, I am looking for the transcript of the "Miracle Wheat" trial.

  Any clues?

  Thanks,

  Doug